bellaedison 's dagbok, 01 nov 18

"????" pertains to what exactly? I do not contest 70-80% at all ... If you care to read my future posts you will see that what I just wrote makes perfect sense. If you do not want to bother, just glance at my food diary and check what fat content is there - which may tell you that... maybe... just maybe... I know what I am talking about...:-))  

actually if you are sticking to leafy veggies I can see how someone can do little protein but protein is needed in the diet. without getting adequet protein your body and muscles will suffer long term. You will notice your nails not growing and other changes over the months. when the body does not have enough protein it will prioritize the protein it harvests for more important body functions. good articles on this topic. I see you do get plenty of protein and I think your post is misunderstood as it may be taken as you are recommending no protein as you did not list it in the post. high fat is a good moderate protein and honestly you don't need the carbs at all. but most feel happier and healthier getting a balance of low carb veggies. 

I'm still on the fence with the keto approach. I respect any and all lifestyle choices so I am open to any suggestions. I may not always take advice but I'm always open to it.  

Protein kills ketosis? So you can't eat two out of the three macronutrients to be keto? Sounds like unsustainable malnutrition. Do what works for you, but most people would probably benefit from more lean animal protein. 

protein is a part of keto diet it is an important part actually and yes overdoing protein can effect ketosis but most tend to not eat enough. 

** to baskington ** You are correct - I do consume adequate amount of protein. More than that, the studies showed that protein intake should be increased in aged individuals diet....what I wrote sounded a bit controversial, but I will explain myself further. It is impossible to do in one post! :-)) 

** thank you, guys, for taking part in the discussion - it is hard to disagree that protein is an important part of our diet and should not be neglected. On keto diet protein may be a challenge. 

yes it did when you forgot to mention protein. people get the wrong idea about the diet and about your statement as you could see.  

I have not experienced "Protein kills ketosis". Excess protein at a single meal may lead the body to create glucose via gluconeogenesis, but protein in the moderate amounts recommended for keto, do not do that to me. I am T2D so my problem is always excess carbs - those do push me out of ketosis. I would call healthy fats the core of keto WOE. 

** to baskington ** - notice, I did not write "do not eat protein", I just wrote that excessive protein kills ketosis, which is proven fact. People tend to assume things which makes ..."a**" of "u" and "me"...:-)) 

**to gz9gjg** - you write "Excess protein at a single meal may lead the body to create glucose via gluconeogenesis" - the key word here is a "single meal". Do you think those who excersise such "single meal" every day from day one will be able to enter ketosis? Out of curiosity, what is your daily protein intake? 

well Kenna just posted an article that refutes that fact, about protein effecting ketosis, which is just an educated article on the topic, maybe another study will show different. I do eat higher protein then some and it does effect my glucose reading and drops my ketones but it also give me level energy for the whole day combined with my fat. so for me personal testing is best and can not say for a fact if this is a negative or not. I do know on me, lower fat at 55 to 60% causes me to gain weight on lower calories. Personally for me I find 70% fat works best at this stage, I am in maintenence with some fat to lose and I work out. all anyone can do it judge how these macro's work best for them and adjust until they find their sweet spot.  

** to baskington ** - "Personally for me I find 70% fat works best at this stage" - same here...Also, the longer you are in ketosis, the more resistant becomes your body to accidental protein or carb over-intake. You may drop ketone level, but you will not be kicked out... for those who just start it just drags things out, keto flue, fatique and so on...I am an advocate for everyone to enter ketosis nice and clean and enjoy its benefits :-) 

Bellaedison, I am in maintenance (lost 20% of my body weight in 2017) and have been eating keto for a year now. I am type 2 diabetic, controlling with diet, taking no T2D meds. I do not follow OMAD or other fasting strategies. My typical protein intake is 60 to 70 g daily, starting with eggs for breakfast. I target 0.4 to 0.5 g protein per pound of body weight, based on a chart I got from VirtaHealth.com. I worry far more about the quantity of carbs I eat - I generally keep total carbs below 20 g per day. That may come from non-starchy veg, salad greens or fruit; or it may be from low sugar dark chocolate. Because fat is such a high percentage of calories in my diet, I am conscious of fats quality and Omega 3 vs Omega 6. That means I avoid soybean, canola oils; and favor meat and dairy fats; olive, coconut, and avocado oils. As to maximum protein at a single meal: I don't worry about gluconeogenesis or "killing" ketosis because my carb intake is so low. If I feel like indulging in extra bacon or a big beef steak, I do so. I do log my calories and generally keep below my preferred limit. "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living" and blog.VirtaHealth.com are my usual references for the keto diet. 

*to gz9gjg* - thanks for sharing, I am happy to hear that you are off your meds (actually I am off my blood pressure meds too). If you consume no more than 70g prots daily with such a low ratio, you may not worry about getting out of the ketosis. My message was mainly to those who tend to overdo protein. For me personally it is between 65 and 107g - it is much higher ratio than yours. My main source of fats is vegetable, lets say 70/30 veg/meat. Protein 30/70 meat/veg. My carbs are higher though - I fluctuate between 20 and 30g. I do not use any canola or soybean at all, unless they are traces in some already cooked foods. But I use a lot of olive oil, avocado oil and coconut. Hand rolled butter or ghee. I will explain in one of the posts the reason for 70/30 and 30/70 ratios with the reference to the study papers. Or maybe you already know about that. Also I am very careful about AGEs.